I just listened to the Meghan Markle-Mariah Carey interview on Episode 2 of the “Archetypes” podcast on Spotify.
First off I noticed that Meghan is continuing her theatrical narration.
She begins by talks about the “devolution” of the word diva, which originally meant goddess. Then she introduces Mariah, her guest, showerring her with compliments and fangirling.
I enjoyed hearing more about Mariah Carey’s life, including her opera singer mom and what was going on before she released the album “Butterfly.” This episode is much better than the episode with Serena Williams because Mariah actually gets to talk more than Serena did.
Mariah tells the listeners that diva is the word used for opera singers who are celebrated and talented, like her mother.
The moment that is getting a lot of press right now is when Mariah says, “You give us diva moments sometimes, Meghan.”
Meghan laughs and seems surprised she is being called a diva. She clearly doesn’t see herself that way and doesn’t seem to understand why anyone else would view her as a diva, whether in a positive or negative way.
Mariah assured her its her glamour and “fabulousness,” then Meghan then narrates. “I love it. She is SO Mariah.”
In this episode Meghan again asks her guest for three words to describe herself as a child and now. She closes the episode by saying, “I didn’t see that coming.”
She talks about she has idolized Mariah as an aspirational figure and then points to the moment that stopped her in her tracks: when Mariah said she gives us diva moments.
“My mind genuinely was just spinning with what nonsense she must have read or clicked on to make her say that. I just kept thinking, in that moment, ‘Was my girl crush coming to a quick demise? Does she actually not see me?'”
Meghan says she heard it as a “dig” and as she sees it but that Mariah meant it as a compliment.
The way I have read the moment be described, I thought the moment would be more tense. It was all so harmless, and I don’t think anyone was offended.
The next episode is with Mindy Kaling. Should I recap it?